So back to that question.......
So what do you think? Was she or wasn't she married to Jesus? Does it matter? Did she have a child? How does it affect our salvation? Does anyone care? Have we lost the message in our own human desire for control? Is there so much analysis and invention that that real truth lies hidden in history for ever? Of course it could be simply that none of it really matters, because a relationship with God is not dependant on anyone other than ourselves and God. That was the whole message of Jesus Christ. The entire reason for the temple curtain tearing in half. etc etc.,... so why is the whole world getting over airated about this poor woman who may or may not have been in love with Jesus of Nazareth. Actually, it makes perfect sense to me. As a Jew and a Rabbi, people would have expected him to be married, they probably wouldnt have listened to a single word he said otherwise. And in any case, as I understand it, my salvation depends on Christ being both fully human and fully divine. Well how could he have experienced and embraced his humanity fully, if he did not have intimate relationships with other human beings. It is at the root of who we are. Ground zero for humanity. the human experience is incomplete without sex! So therefore by my reckoning, if he didn't do 'IT', then my salvation is at stake! Which of course leads me to another controversial point... to have explored his humanity and sexuality fully....would probably mean that Jesus would have been intimate with someone of his own gender as well. Possibly John (the disciple Jesus loved)....Ouch... now where in the equasion of creation does God specifcate about gender and sexuality? No where. Only to do with reproduction. Which of course requires one of each... So whose issue is it? Not God's and certainly not Jesus's because he never mentions it once in any of the gospels. No where in the words of Jesus does he talk about sexuality, either his or anyone elses. He mentions love often enough. Interesting I note, historically and as portrayed in Mel Gibson's film the three people closest to Jesus and who followed him to his death, faithfully and unswervingly, were his mother - of course; bless her broken heart; and Mary Magdalene and John. Hmm? Oh and who did he choose to be the witness of his resurrection? Mary Magdalene. Hmm? Intrieguing. I wonder just how much the 'church' has actually twisted the truth and formed it to manipulate people for hundreds of years. No where in any document can I find a truth that tells me that Christ's divinity depends on his celibacy! I find I can only hold to what I know in my heart to be true. That regardless of hundred's of people's analysis, decisions and theologies, Jesus the true incarnation of God, the Saviour and Redeemer of us all walked this earth, and changed people's lives for ever. He lived a human life, and experienced all of his humanity, for our benefit. I can only draw the conclusion for myself, that Yes i believe, Mary Magdalene, or 'Miriam' in Hebrew which means "bitterness", "rebelliousness", "wished for child" and "drop of the sea" Was more than likely the bride of Christ. As the aspect of Sophia did in the old times...so Miriam, would have brought balance to a male dominated world. But she like so many other women was hidden by men who feared her power, and lied about and hounded from her home land. And if she indeed carried the child of Christ, who knows what is the truth now, except that Jesus loved her, and that is good enough for me... Of course i wonder what the 'church' would have said had a relationship with John been the focus for attention! Hmm????

7 Comments:
At May 31, 2006 7:26 pm,
bournemouth.lass said…
Well said (Stands up and applauds).
I may not be a bible scholar but that's exactly how I feel about the whole question of Jesus being a husband and a father. So what? I don't believe it dimishes him as the Child of God or as my Saviour. It's good to know that he felt the same way as we all do.
I think, like a great many people I suspect, that the reason the Church are challenged by this theory is because of the blantant hetrosexist orthodoxy that they want to perpetuate. If Jesus had a relationship with, and indeed was married to, Miriam then women must be equal to men and if he had a full and loving relationship with John....Well you'd have to let queers into the seminaries then wouldn't you? I don't believe that "The Da Vinci Code" challenges all sectors of the church, just the ones that want to maintain their powerbase.
Enough Said.
At June 02, 2006 1:02 pm,
Malcolm said…
As you say, a relationship with Mary Magdalene poses no problems. Had the relationship been with John, the same applies. Too often we make Jesus fully divine but are reluctant to acknowledge a 'full' humanity. I suspect that He didn't have the same hang-ups about sexuality as does an obsessive church!
At June 02, 2006 3:13 pm,
Kaz said…
Amen to that folks! La, I agree about the church's powerbase. And do you notice how many things are cropping up in recent times in the media and film world as well as written, to challenge the power of the church over people's understanding and belief system. The Da Vinci code is just another in a line of things which are making people question everything that the church has indoctrinated them with over the years. Its all very exciting. Although historial accuracy in the novel leaves a bit to be desired, it has sparked people's interest. There are other films in recent years which have made people question the truth. Revelation, Stigmata, End of Days, Constanine, Devil's Advocate, Passion of the Christ, bla bla ....My desire for the truth is fed by all this and I am as always, reading and delving into as much as I can get. if there is something to find and indeed something to hide... then I want to know everything about it. It's so exciting that the church's portrayal of this holy, un touchable, pious, and reverent man who would never have defiled himself by being in touch with his own humanity and actually be intimate with another human being... bla bla bla.... rubbish.... may finally be disputed and argued enough to make a difference. For me it is even more exciting that my personal Saviour was truly human, and did experience the whole of his humanity. it makes him truly human, and truly able to step alongside me and understand me. God's plan was specific with Jesus, and the church has ridden all over it for 2000 years, just to remain powerful and controlling over its people. Christ's prevailing power is in his ability to continue to step alongside people and be where they are. To touch them right at their point of need. Of course Jesus was intimate with people. Duhh! and of course Mary was his bride. I think we all know that anyway. Why else would the church make such a fuss unless there was something to hide? Look at all the instances in the scriptures where Jesus is in touch with his own humanity and felt all the emotions we feel. And it is interesting to note that all the other scriptures and writings that contain evidence that he was married to her and also that contain anything which might bring in to question the power and authority of the church have been conveniently left out of the canon! Jesus came to break down barriers between God and humnakind and make God accessible to all people. for goodness sake, he sacrificed his own life for it; and the church has come right on in and bulldozed through God's revelation and built barriers right up again! I look forward to the day when the church gets its just deserts. When the divine feminine is acknowledged in its rightful place, when the truth abobut all these things is proven, and when someone finally manages to break into the vatican vaults and reveal all the truths that lie within, hidden from God's people. What a shame the Knights Templars did not pursue their quest to this day. What a shame that modern freemasonery became something which was no longer about freedom, truth and liberty. What a shame that Mary is not here to tell her tale today, about how she should have been given her voice to carry the church of Christ to the world, alongside Peter, and James, and, what a shame that her child, the child of the Saviour of human kind, was not recognised and given her due, by the christian world. How different would things have turned out? The balance would have been restored a long time ago. The truth about all the cover ups and the nonsense about Mary being a prostitute and other stuff would be thrown out. Do you notice ahow the church has always got a boring, and cheesy explanation of the things which show jesus to be an intimate and sexual being. For instance the one that always gets me is the story about him and Mary where she washed his feet with her hair! Outrageous. How erotic is that? And yet it is explained away. What makes me angry is that I feel it is actually demeaning to Christ himself that the church has denied his humanity in this way, and made him into someone else other than who he was/is. How dare they mess with God. The person of Jesus has been moulded into someone convenient to the church's plan for control. Fits nicely into the slot prepared and keeps everything together. Who are the church to put God into a slot? How rude! I guess now it is down to people like you and I with a passion for the truth to get to the bottom of it and reveal that which the church has denied for so long! Roll on the rest of my life.....
At June 03, 2006 8:02 pm,
bournemouth.lass said…
That's so true!! :D
You have hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately it's "The Church" that keep people from God. When people hear the word "Christianity" they think "Churchy-anity", which is a totaly different matter.
I find God in all things, not just what the church tells me I should find God in. I was in Bournemouth listening to the most wonderful Native American music and I felt God moving through these incredable people. How much more "Pagan" can you get though?
The church has a lot to answer for. It was because of conventional and right-wing christiainty that I left the church in the first place. Since finding MCC I've realised that it's simply between me, Jesus and God and everyone else can -k off.
Thank you for helping me find that.
X X X
At June 03, 2006 8:27 pm,
Kaz said…
I too saw and heard the native americans in the square. Well I think they've probably got it more right than any of us conventional, boundaries of western religions lot. I love their spirituality. I have two native american spirit guides. Both have been around for most of my life. I remember talking to one of them when I was a child and my family thought I was bonkers! Well they were of course right...... however, such wisdom and spiritual presence from close to the hand of God can only be a blessing in such an un-spiritual and material world.
At June 07, 2006 5:36 am,
bournemouth.lass said…
Totaly and I feel blessed to know God how I ever I feel Him/Her.
I'm happy the way I am. My attitue is if God puts a dance in my feet or a song in my heart who am I to ignore it? And, more to the point, who are other people to make me feel inferior for doing it? I love my God and will show that in the way that She/He sees best and if that's to dance when no one else is or to sing at the top of my voice about God's love or be the small area of light in someone elses dark night, then that's what I'll do and no one will tell me otherwise.
At April 19, 2008 8:52 am,
Kaz said…
And another thing - I haven't posted on here for about a year!!! Because I forgot the password!! Anyway - the other thing is - why is it that in terms of Jesus the human being we speak in terms of only two genders - male and female - when we already know that there are more than that in the diversity of the human race. And secondly - if God created human kind, in God's own image, then God must be all genders and equally no gender. There fore - If Jesus was God incarnate, how can we genderise the person of Jesus of Nazareth as male???? The fact that the was a 'male' body - ot so they say - is not enough to denote gender!
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